BUDDERSIDE Interview with Patrick Stone
Posted by WayneBRR on October 10 2017 09:13:42


Interview with Patrick Stone


By: Nina McCarthy, Senior Music Journalist

Boston Rock Radio


Interview time with Patrick, Hartford, CT


Budderside is:  

Patrick Stone – vocals
Michael Stone – Bass
Colin Reid – guitar
Rich Sacco – drums


Los Angeles’ Budderside came through New England this summer as direct support to L.A. Guns.  I caught both shows, in Hartford, CT and Worcester, MA as they tore shit up, left their mark and and left us eagerly awaiting their return.  I was honored to spend time getting to know them all and catch a glimpse into their life on the road. I can't thank frontman, Patrick Stone, enough for the very candid and in depth interview as well as the entire band treating me as a part of the Budderside family.


Budderside live was straight up kick ass rock 'n roll.   However, if you listen to their album, it's hard to label them into a specific genre. If you like glam rock, punk, metal, and even ska then take a listen to their self-titled album out on Motorhead Music’s label and catch them on tour in a town near you.


Patrick formerly fronted Adler's Appetite, but had the desire to front his own band.  Enjoy the read and see how Budderside came to be.

If you're a Lemmy fan, you will also enjoy this interview, as Patrick speaks a lot about him.


Patrick with the tour bus in Hartford, CT


(Warning:  This interview has been edited to protect the innocent from self-incrimination. 😂)



BRR:  At the age of 5 you knew you wanted to be a rock star. Tell me about that and how you made it a dream come true.


PS:  Well, for long as I can remember I prayed everyday that I'd get that. I don't know why I've been so attracted to it. I don't know how I became so fascinated with it.


BRR:  That's a young age.


PS:  Right?  Especially without really knowing what it's all about or anything else.  But then as life goes on, I've falling more and more in love with it, so I feel like it's more meant to be everyday.  But I pray everyday that he makes that part of my life stronger and more successful.  My mom always encouraged me to sing in the car at a very young age.  She just encouraged me and always told me what a great voice I had.  That made me feel like I could be good at it, and then I got into plays and musicals as a kid.  My sister was really into rock ‘n roll, and I lost her at young age, and that just really made me dedicate myself even more to that because she had such a huge love for it, so I fell in love with it just the same.


BRR:  I’m so sorry to hear that about your sister.  I read you were going through all her records when it really hit you.


PS:  Yeah.


BRR:  You were signed to Motorhead’s label by Lemmy himself.  How did that transpire?


PS:  Serendipity really.  It's weird. You know, I wanted to meet Axl Rose so bad and then it came to the moment where I actually saw him in a place for the first time and it was...I'm not really going to get into it, but it let me down.  I'm not saying I was let down by him.  Axl Rose is still a huge hero of mine.  Just to make a long story short, I walked in and had a tattoo. I showed him the tattoo and he kind of laughed at me. I was just like, “Ahhhh,” heartbroken.  But with Lemmy, it was like it was very organic. We met very organically and it was a relationship that we built on trust really.  I felt like he tested me in a few ways ‘cuz he kind of felt like I was going to be around ‘cuz one of my girlfriends was a really good friend of his and and I was coming around a lot.  So he started testing me.  At one point, he gave me a handful of his war memorabilia. He said that he knew I was polishing stones, and I had taken a lot of jewelry classes, and I think I brought that up somehow in our conversations that I'd studied jewelry in school, of all things. So one day, he hands me this handful of priceless memorabilia and said, “Can, you shine these up for me?” and I was like, “Holy shit man!”  I knew how much that stuff meant to him.  Maybe it wouldn't mean anything else to the next tweaker who came along and was ready to sell it or get rid of it or whatever, but I literally went home and hid that from everybody and I polished them up as well as I could for about 3 or 4 days.  I got everything perfect, and I brought it back to him and I felt like that was a really big thing for him when he trusted me with that.   By the time I started to roadie for him, he was sharing his lyrics with me, and he was allowing me to give my input on his lyrics and then he was giving me his input on mine.


BRR:  That's right. His roadie didn't show up and there you were!


PS:  Again, serendipity.  This relationship just kept growing and growing and he and Todd, our manager who was also his manager, always told me that when I was ready to move on and do it for real, when I was ready to get serious that they would be there.  This is the kind of thing that will go in one ear and out the other and it's like for how many years did I not pay attention to that?  When I finally said, “Fuck this, I'm ready to do my own thing.” they were like here's the studio you're going into, here's the record label that we want to get and yeah, and then here we are.


BRR:   That's awesome.  You were definitely in the right place at the right time with the right people...and of course you had the talent.  Now, Budderside is an unusual name. Makes me think of dropping toast, hoping the butter side lands up.  Can you explain the origin of the name?


PS:  Very good question. People ask it all the time.  It's so hard to keep the name from making you think of butter, and the butter side but it actually has nothing to do with it.  Originally it was a total flub.  We got together just to jam Rich, Stone, and I and our other buddy, and we started recording our first jam together and actually the first song we ever played, the first few chords actually turned out to be what is now “Genocide.”  I was trying to rhyme with genocide because the whole music thing was making me feel like the end of the world kind of a thing. I was really mad at this one girl, and I was like “fuck you” and the lyrics were coming out, and I rhymed genocide with budderside, and when we listen back Rich says, “Dude, did you say budderside? Like that's the farthest thing you want to say from genocide!”  I was like, “Yes, that's the name of the band.”  We tried naming it a few different things along the way and and it was like that just described us.  It's kind of got a sense of humor and it's like what is in a name?  If you can make it with a name like that then it's something.


BRR:  It's memorable, that's for sure.  That's what matters!  I read that your vocal influences include Scott Weiland, Lemmy, Freddie Mercury, Kurt Cobain, and Chris Cornell, ironically some of my all time favorites...How do you incorporate so much greatness into one Patrick?


PS:  Those are great favorites to have.  The lifestyle creates their greatness, who they were and are, the struggle demands that vocal.  What I mean by that is; It's funny as long as I, like I said, prayed every day that I could become successful with music and be a known musician or be successful.  But I also in a weird way prayed that my life would be a little bit harder than the rest of my heroes so that my story would stand out or be cohesive to theirs because at that point my life was getting ready to be taken from me, and I feel like I stopped praying for that at that point. I think that's when the the universe started opening up to me and giving me more of the “successful” part of it because it wasn't until I got sober that things started really falling into place and happening as far as success is concerned.  In order to get to be the person that deserves that kind of success, I feel you really have to push the envelope of your sanity and your spirituality.  I didn't want to be a bigger drug addict than Jim Morrison, but I wanted to see what he saw. What was that thing that made him so keen to to being that aware and that wise?  I feel like that that was the willingness to let go of all of these things that we hold so dear, our looks, our bodies, our health, our friends, and it's like you push yourself to the limit and you're going to lose all of those things and then how do you see the world at that point?  How valuable is it to you?  Like Weiland was just always so full of pain though he was so successful. It's like he had all of this weight and that weight really enabled him to hone in on his words, and Cornell and Lemmy too. It's like the more real you are the more your music means to others.


BRR: I just don't understand how people can take that many drugs and go on to be so successful.  I'm sure you can relate since you were a huge partier.   I read that you have probably spilled more cocaine than most people have snorted, before your sobriety in 2006.


PS:  It's true. I just liked being that guy that had to be overwhelmed.  I love being honest. I don't applaud myself that I was a drug dealer, but it is something I had to do in order to keep myself supplied with enough to keep my high going to keep myself from losing my sanity because my life was so bad that the only thing that would make me feel better were the drugs and the escape.  I was the person that needed to pass out or be just completely useless to everybody else. That's when I felt the best because, I don't know maybe because it would force me to hide from everybody and then I was alone.


BRR:  That's probably why I enjoy sleeping so much. Not that my life is that bad, but it's my escape when the stress gets to be too much.


PS:  I still love that.  Sleeping is a great.  The reason their voices were so great and beautiful is because you can feel the pain in their voices and I hope that people can feel that in mine.  Along with having heroes like Axl Rose and Chris Cornell, I found myself.  My vocal coach was Chris Cornell’s and Myles Kennedy’s and Axl Rose's coach and he taught Pavarotti and Elvis and he flies out to see Katy Perry and all of these greats.  Along with the spirituality and that side of it, the lifestyle side of those heroes and trying to be like them vocally, I had to really get serious about taking some lessons from the best, and now it's like, it takes me an hour to warm up and go through those vocal exercises so that I can hit those notes on a nightly basis.


BRR:  But, you are right, that was their outlet for their pain and you can feel the emotion and that's what made them so great.  You are very open about your own past and current clean living, which I admire. So tell me what are some challenges you have gone through to get where you are now?


PS:  Again, the deserving success has been the biggest obstacle because when you come back from a life like I was living I found myself having a really hard time telling the truth because it was like lies were always the way to keep people at a distance and and not let them in. So, just fighting to be honest and being true to myself, those are the biggest obstacles. It's like if you can get yourself to the point that you can be honest with everyone then it's really a lot easier to see yourself for who you really are and other people can see you for who you really are.  So, really like I'm getting over those things.  I'm the kind of person that if I feel I don't deserve something, I'm not going to get it, and I'm grateful for that. I don't know if that's because of the way I was raised or whatever, but it's like as soon as I feel like I deserve something at this point in my life, I really feel like I've been through enough, and I'm a good enough person to everybody else that I feel like I deserve whatever the universe is going to hand me so I'm ready for it. I truly am right now.  If you give me something, I'm going to take care of it. I'm going to cherish it, unlike I think I would have if I'd gotten successful when I was younger or addicted to drugs because I look at all of these careers that have fallen apart and people have died and it's like I feel like this is happened to me for a reason, because now I'm ready for all of these things to come and I'm not going to take them for granted.   Also, the financial side of it, the whole music industry has changed so much that one of the biggest obstacles is really being able to afford to get yourself to the point of where you need to be.  I have a lot of financial support from a lot of different people including the label and my manager and some sponsors and everything else.  I'm so truly blessed that they chip in when they do because without them, the icing on the cake wouldn't happen, like the bus wrap or this whole tour itself.  It's really a lot of thanks to some key people, and they wouldn't believe in me if it wasn't for the fact that I've come this far.  But honestly, I set my mind as soon as I got sober which was 11 ½  years ago.  There's a good eight to nine years of tip jars of money in the bank.  I also was very lucky, I got a couple commercials and a couple TV shows and those things pay ridiculous amounts of money.  When I got those paychecks coming in, the residual checks coming in, I knew that this was for a reason when I was getting those and I put those in the bank, and that's kind of the cushion that we've been living on.


BRR:  That's good.  I guess that comes with sobriety, not blowing it.


PS:  Trust me, there's a couple Camaros and a Corvette that I wanted.  But, I was like, “No, this band has to go on tour and we've got to put out a record.”  You have to do those things. It's baby steps and when you do those things now, it's like the way the music industry is set up, at least with our deal.  It's kind of a give and take and you've got to make sure that everybody is on the same level and everybody is making money at the same time.


BRR:. The labels don't foot the bill like they used to because they aren't making as much money with everything downloadable.  Now,your music is definitely a roller coaster ride, which makes it so fun and interesting.  Tell me about your self-titled album produced by Lemmy’s son, Paul, released last year and the inspiration behind some of the songs.


PS:  That's my favorite question.  That has been the wall that comes up against us every time somebody wants to put us in a box or put us on the tour.  We’ve wanted to be on a tour with group so bad but not sacrifice the integrity of the band because our music expands a lot of different genres.  You've listened to the album. You know we go from violins and orchestras to completely guitar-driven hardcore metal screamo at times.  So yeah, I'm so glad you feel that way.  This is huge part of wanting to share our music with the world, just being able to really touch on a lot of different emotions by playing different styles all within our style.  I love that term, “Out of nowhere.”  When I'm in the studio, especially when I'm showing someone a song for the first time, or maybe discover it while we're playing the song for the first time.  It just gets to the point where it feels like another song you've heard before, and it's going to be good...I like to just turn everything off and try a new instrument that isn't in the song right now and trip up the tempo and do something that takes a totally left turn into somewhere you wouldn't have explored otherwise.  The look on faces when you do that in the studio is my favorite thing.  They look at you like you are insane and when somebody looks at me like that, I'm like, “ Ahhhaa! I got you!  I wanted to do that.”  Then they're like, “You meant to do that?”  Then it becomes, this could be really cool and you start adding on that together and before you know it, you have this breathing animal that wasn't there before.  It wasn't just 3 chords and a drumbeat with some singing, especially with EDM and electronica sounds that we fly in and out of at any moment.  There is just so much space for music now and it's really fun to test yourself.  That was the beautiful thing about Lemmy again, all the different styles.  When we'd sit in the car, like I said, he trusted me and he'd call and I'd be driving him places because he never had a license.  He didn't want to drive himself.  I'd pick him up and I'd be so lucky I could drive him everywhere.  We'd listen to the radio and right from when a song would end he'd change the station and that song would end and he'd change the station again.  It would go from classical to hip hop to funk to R&B, Motown and then metal and rock ‘n roll.  From each song, he'd find the truth in it and the message and he'd start talking about that and explaining the riff and why it was so cool and the origin of that riff.  He'd know where everything had come from, who Chuck Berry's influences were and who Aretha Franklin's influences were. He could tell you where Muse got that riff from and maybe they didn't even know.  He could show you somewhere that came from before they had it.  He was constantly reading books and listening to music.  It was like he was in school all the time.  When I started writing music, long before I met Lemmy, I found I didn't know what genre I wanted to be.  I mean, I loved Duran Duran when I was a kid. I loved Michael Jackson.  I loved Prince.  I loved AC/DC.  I loved Hall & Oates. I loved Billy Joel and Journey.  I mean all of these bands are completely different from each other and yet they were all great.  I would listen to a whole album at a time sometimes and other times I'd just flip through my sister's record collection and go over to the radio and I didn't want to be like one album. I wanted our group to be like like so many different influences and not just from song to song. Whereas, the songs from the first record you can definitely place us in a different genre listening from each different song but it wasn't done on purpose. It was done organically.  You know, like our song “My Religion” it's all about finding your own inner strength and finding that language you have, the vocabulary you have back and forth with whatever it is you believe in, the God that you have.  My communication with Jesus and God and how how I perceive that and how somebody else can perceive their religion completely differs from mine, but it's really the same when you break it down.  That kind of energy, that vibe really had a certain feeling to more of acoustics almost a banjo tone too and to deny that and try to give it a metal sound right off the bat to fit into some genre was wrong. So it's like let's start this with acoustics. Let's start this with the shamanistic feel to it because that's the message. That's what I'm talking about, so that song came out very bohemian.  By the time the chorus comes, I feel strong about it. I want it to be loud; so the song starts, it's very acoustic and then by the time you get to the chorus, it's metal as fuck.  It's just hard and pounds, then it goes back to its roots and then the middle is very bluesy and very vocal.   Yes, so Motorhead Music really gave us the opportunity to do something like that and then go into the screamo song like “Open Relationship” which is just so horny and sexy and just wants to scream like when you have an orgasm. (Patrick demonstrated a perfect orgasmic scream that left me blushing.)  You just screamed so loud, and that's what that music has to be.   You're with a supermodel, and you just BOOM!  


BRR:  I think that's why I like your music so much because I'm all over the place too.  I prefer rock as my favorite, but a lot of my friends are metalheads, and I love that too.  I mean I go from Kenny G to metal, and everything in between.  Hair Nation is my favorite Sirius XM station along with Octane.


PS:  Kenny G is so romantic.  Did you ever see Family Guy when they all go to the Barry Manilow concert and they're all standing there saying he sucks.  He's actually really awesome.


BRR:  Yeah, that was a funny episode.


PS:  So, you totally know what I mean.  Like with our song ”Ska Bra,” we take ska and bra and talk about brass. We have Katja Rieckermann who's from Rod Stewart's group, and plays with Lady Gaga as well, on the record.  On the record as well, we got Phil Campbell from Motorhead.  So it's like you get people of these different worlds, and they come together, and they're not talking about genre.  They're just creating what this is together and in the end it is what it is.


BRR:  That's why I love music so much!  You are quite the interesting person...a musician, actor, have a clothing line and more. What is something many people don't know about you?


PS:  There's a nerdy side of me.  I love Star Wars.  Star Wars gave me an interest in science fiction and Comic-Con and stuff like that.  I mean, the first chance I get I'll dress up and run down to Comic-Con and hang out with a bunch of stormtroopers.  Yeah, I love that Cosplay and all that stuff too.  I know it's silly.


BRR:  That's awesome!  At least if you dress up, you can go incognito.  So, how is touring with L.A.Guns?  I was going to ask about you all sharing a tour bus, but you're not now.


PS:  The original plan was to.  We actually did an interview where we said that we were going to do that.  That was the plan but we got a few other dates that were off of the tour, off of the beaten path, that we wanted to pick up and then they had certain requirements and we had certain requirements in our budget.  Anyway, we just didn't quite meet in the middle on time.  But, it was a total blessing in disguise because they need their space and we need our space and I didn't want to get on their nerves. We need to be able to drive off.  It's been the most wonderful time though.  Tracii and Phil and all of the guys are just so cool, and they've just been so genuine and loving towards us and respectful of us.  This is a perfect first tour for us. I really think at least for the US because the crowd is kind of in the middle and again we are so grateful that they took a chance on us because like I said the genre placing and everything else. Where do you put a band like us?  And we're out to prove that we can open for any band.  We did open for Motorhead and Slayer and bands like that. We did the Motörboat and we fit right in and we win those crowds over too.  It's like we go into those shows thinking it's going to be so difficult because these guys are so heavy and then they like us.  Then going out with L.A. Guns, it's like all the guys are so sleaze metal we’ve got to be like Motley Crue, but I love wearing the makeup.  Singing for Steven Adler and being a Guns N’ Roses fan, and I was a L.A. Guns fan all along,so it's a dream come true playing for them.  Their crowds have been so receptive to us every night.  We're just blown away by how much they want the merch and how much they want the autographs and they want to hang out and we owe a lot to Tracii and Phil and Michael, and Shane and Johnny Martin.  I love that guy. He's like my brother.  And yeah, it's just been crazy.


BRR:. My friends that are coming tonight are metalheads, but I know they'll love the show because they like L.A. Guns too.


PS:  Tracii considers himself a metal guitar player.  You hear it in his sound.  If you put a different vocal or maybe a double kick drum beat to his stuff, it would be metal.  Every band probably starts off with a bit of the same dilemma we've gotten.  It's really just getting in front of people and and connecting with them, and then it's like before you know all of these stereotypes and stuff will hopefully wear off and it's just a rock ‘n roll.


BRR:  When we were talking about the music, I forgot to ask about “Pain.”  One of my favorite sayings is, “I rather feel pain than nothing at all.” I live in chronic pain, so I guess that's why I related to it immediately.   Can you give me a little insight into the lyrics?


PS:  It's funny because we put the video to the song and people always want to talk about the video.  The song itself is exactly like you just touched on and that it really is about “man life hurts, but it's still so great” and and I hate to quote this because I hear it all the time, but “pain is simply weakness leaving the body,” right?  That's what they say.  I'm sure you've heard it quite a few times.  But it's true because it's like if you're feeling pain that means that you know your feeling something, your processing something so yeah, and if it should come every day.  If you're numb to what life is giving you than you're not doing it right.  It needs to hurt like a good workout.  Of course that's what led to the video.  How do you grasp the concept of pain and it's like entering a boxing ring, for sure that's going to hurt, whether you are the winner or the loser.


BRR:. Then you have the sexy models beating people up in the video, so of course everyone is going to like watching that.


PS:  At that point we were just making it fun and it is something to watch for sure.  But pain, it's like there are so many people that are going to put you down, and then a lot of times it's the people that love you, and you don't even realize it.  It just hurts. I mean growing up hurts.  Wisdom hurts.  It's just the pain is going to come every day, if you get used to it and let it make you stronger because the stronger you are the less you're going to feel like pain.  It's just life.


That's great advice!  I recently started to get rid of people out of my life that are causing me pain or just dragging me down. It took me all these years to finally do that because I'm one of those people that doesn't like to say “no.”  I'm a giver and I give, give, give and I've just finally realized it's about me first.  I don't mean in a selfish way, but we have to take care of ourselves first or we aren't good for anybody else.


PS:  It's hard. It's almost like you know you're going to hurt them more by telling them no, and then it's going to hurt you.  I know exactly what you mean...you're being a generous soul by not saying something, but then at some point you really do.  Just like the line in “Pain” says, “You put me down, just to pick me up, thinking that you suck, I become fucked.”


BRR:  Exactly!  So, what can you share about Agent Budderside?


PS:  Agent Budderside, ah, I love that question too.  It's completely out of the depths.  It's such a great feeling to think of something and imagine it in the beginning but feeling it's impossible to create and then finding an artist that is so talented like Dylan Perez, the guy who originally drew up the the original illustration.  Then to explain it to him, and then have him bring it to life and then look at this artwork, and she has a life of her own. I feel like she's going to grow into so many bigger and better things just like Eddie from Iron Maiden. I feel like I want her to be like that, like people know that image more than they know of the band a lot of times.  Like hip hop artists running around town in L.A. wearing Iron Maiden shirts. Odds are if you ask what's their favorite Iron Maiden song they'll say, “Just like the shirt, man.” But Eddie, growing up to us was like the monster.  He was the character behind Iron Maiden, and he was the story behind it and that's what I want Agent Budderside to be.  But to see the illustration before you and then to find a supermodel to play her and then to have an artist to come along....Paul Roustan came over and spray-painted her, body painted her, and then go to a prop shop and find out that they have every single thing that you imagine that he drew that you are now placing in Photoshop.  It's like a big wave comes in and it's like you just feel like god's putting you on that ride and then to have the whole album cover come to life.  And now I'm having the original artist drawing up a comic book so there's going to be a full story that comes out and it's going to be for people to see on the Budderside page and Instagram page.  Those pieces will come out one-by-one and can keep the page a little bit more interesting than concert photography and just keeping up on what's going on with the band.  I'm super excited to see what trouble she gets into and we're still coming up with the story where she's from and it's an exciting thing to see.  I could tell you more but it will be more interesting to see it for yourself.  I don't want to screw it up.  I'm very excited to see what she is doing on the next album cover and see what she's doing on the comic strip in the comic book.


(Photo courtesy of Budderside)


BRR:  Now you have me excited to see!  Are you already preparing for the next album?


PS:  Absolutely, always ready!  We have about three or four songs pretty set and six or seven really good ideas that will form into songs.  I'm really happy to be working with Colin Reid now. He's just a wizard on the guitar, so again, a new element to the group is really going to expand our musical universe.


BRR:  Are there any sponsors or products you'd like to plug?


PS:  Sam's Hof Brau in downtown L.A., the best strip club ever.  Women and men alike love it there.  It's a feeling unlike any other strip club.  It's really like you're walking into the after-hours party every time.   I love those guys.  They've been my friends now for over 25 years, and they're just a huge support to me.  ESP Guitars; Chris over there, I'd love to give him a shout-out.  Marshall Amplifiers, which everybody told me it would be impossible to get them to give you stuff, but of course the whole Motorhead and Lemmy and the Phil connection helped that.  But yeah, it's all about who you know and who likes you, so I feel blessed that those people feel I'm real enough to deserve some really cool stuff.


BRR:  That's great.  I work with a lot of local bands, so I like to conclude my interviews by asking what advice do you have for those that are trying to live their dream like you have come to live?


PS:  It's cool to hear someone think that's where I'm at, so I appreciate that.  Just work hard. Don't fool yourself.  Don't bullshit yourself and try to tell yourself you're great when you're not and because even when you are super great, you can always be better.  Even if you're super great or you're the best, even the best need to practice on a constant everyday basis to keep themselves at that peak performance because you go out in front of people, that's how you get them, as you impress them.   I'm not going to say don't do drugs but at the same time, I'm not going to say do drugs, but keep your head together.  When you're starting out, surround yourself with people that are way better than you. That's the best thing.  When my career started really taken off was when I decided to tell guys like Frankie Banali, “Hey, I'm good enough to sing for Quiet Riot,” and then he has you in the studio to play with them and you have to put yourself out there and walk the walk.  I hate this saying, but I used to tell myself it, “You have to fake it till you make it.”   Literally, like if that's what you want to be than that's who you are.


BRR:. You really have to believe in yourself.  Well, it looks like they're looking for you to go eat.  We better stop here.  This is going to be a long one to type!


PS:  Thanks for coming all the way down to see us!  Would you like to join us for dinner?



Patrick on vocals and guitar


Michael “The Stoneman” Stone on bass


Rich Sacco on drums


Colin Reid on guitar



Webster Theater, Hartford CT



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